the amt basically doesn't allow you to deduct for things like your state income taxes and hits states with high property taxes and high income taxes hard, so you're talking california, connecticut, new york. >> it's like the obama donç or closet. >> and orrin hatch made that point this year, a republican senator. he said the amt hurts them more than us. >> they don't have to worry about it. they think that's their leverage. >> i want to think about other things discussed once we get past the tax rates, and i want to hear -- listen to president obama today talking about smflt other things, the spending cuts that are involved and what they're dealing with here. >> i think there's a recognition that maybe they can accept some rate increases as long as it's combined with serious entitlement reform and additional spending cuts. if we can get the leadership on the republican side to take that framework, to acknowledge that reality, then the numbers actually aren't that far apart. another way of putting this is, we can probably solve this in about a week. it's not that tough. >> chris, the